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biggie_rat
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1235 Posts |
 Posted - 09/11/2007 : 20:49:57
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This is the way I take the trans BGB out normally. More pics and descriptions to follow if it works out like I expect it to. If it doesn't or if it brings blood, I may have to delete and cuss a lot. Please pay no attention to my background mess. The camera makes it look worse than it is. Eh, not really.
First turn off the TV, turn on the radio. Jack up the rear, put jack stands or your choice of blocks under the running boards.
After removal of the tires/wheels, hydro lift lines, PTO engagement rod, hydro control rod, brake rod, drive shaft, BGB yoke, seat pan and whatever else that needs to come undone, whew! ........... Then I hook my super duper handy transmission/BGB bracket tool onto my engine hoist. Unscrew the 4 7/16" bolts that hold the BGB to the main rear gusset of the frame. Wiggle the transmission up and down, wave the magic wand and it is ready to pull back and put on work table or floor for further teardown. Sound pretty easy, so far, huh?
First with the wheels off, up on jack stands.
Then as my supervisor watches (circled), I hook up my super duper hook thing to the trans/BGB, then lift it with the engine hoist. In this pic, it is hanging completely free, but only backed away about 2-3".
Side view, with trans/BGB backed out a few inches.
Backed out all of the way.
Back down on the work table for BGB replacement.
Too bad things usually come out/apart easier and faster than they go back together. But my homemade bracket allows the whole assembly to be aimed, raised, lowered and held in place and at certain times helps insure safety while working on it. This was diassembled on my lift using an engine hoist, but if you would rent (or buy an engine hoist, even with the tractor on a cement floor, it would save a lot of hassle, from others experiances that I have heard of.
I will add more to this as I go along.
Magic wands available at extra cost.
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skunkhome
USA
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 21:32:27
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| sounds very simple! I was worn out just reading your description. I guess that is another advantage of owning a RBT. I couldn't really make out your gadget... How many points of attachment? oh BTW whats an engine hoist? LOL |
  Phil
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty."
Benjamin Franklin |
Edited by - skunkhome on 09/11/2007 21:34:47 |
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Roy
USA
1366 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2007 : 22:05:11
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I knew those running boards had to be good for something. 
Once I figure out where to store it I want to get a HF folding 2 ton hoist. Very handy tool as you have demonstrated.
How difficult was it to find the balance point for your lifting bracket?
Looking forward to your posts on rebuilding the BGB.
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Roy
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biggie_rat
USA
1235 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 08:49:31
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Originally posted by skunkhome
I couldn't really make out your gadget... How many points of attachment? oh BTW whats an engine hoist? LOL
The lifting bracket is a "3 point attachment". The engine hoist, shop crane, engine crane, whatever you want to call it, is the red lifting arm you see in the pics.
Roy, "How difficult was it to find the balance point for your lifting bracket?"
The bracket was originally made for something else (note the bend in the rod), but it took me 3 hours of trial and error to get it just right, both hook-up and balance. Well worth the work and trouble. Balance was achieved by moving the two cable clamps 26 times until I got it right.Note it is adjustable to different lift points for different tractors and forces the transmission and BGB set perfectly horizontal, front to rear and side to side. Not very pretty, but it works like a charm.
B.R. |
Edited by - biggie_rat on 09/12/2007 08:59:34 |
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Roy
USA
1366 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 12:43:44
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"took me 3 hours of trial and error"
Figured you had some time in it. Unbalanced loads are hard to rig.
I like "works first". Pretty is good but not required.
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Roy
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biggie_rat
USA
1235 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 20:16:07
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I got started on it late this afternoon, but all went well and I got done about 6:30.
What a mess. But that's the way it is.
This was the original BGB. The former owner had taken the back cover off to see what was going on, thus the rust. The bearings were fine, but the teeth on both gears were shot as you can see.
So I ended up putting in a different BGB, due to the fact I am lazy and also out of cover plate gaskets, so was my dealer. I also needed to get it finished since I had my lift tied up. After putting in the good BGB, I put in some dummy bolts for guiding the whole assembly into place. Once the ass'y. is where it should be and a couple of the 7/16" bolts snugged in, the dummy guides can be unscrewed and the other two 7/16" bolts can go in, then tightened.
Finally! Back to together. Everything went well on this one. I have had some that seem like they weren't even made to fit back in this brand of tractor.
You thought I was kidding about having a magic wand? Thus, the clean hands and fingernails.
B.R.
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Roy
USA
1366 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 21:50:16
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Ron,
"the clean hands and fingernails."
Now, you wouldn't be cheating and wearing gloves would you?
I left my magic wand at work when I retired. Was tired of performing miracles for those turkeys. |
Roy
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skunkhome
USA
12824 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 23:47:08
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Alright Ron, the gig is up! "He implies that he is a mechanical wonder and can perform miracles with out modifications that no one else can do" ............. All this time you had me believing you were doing it all by yourself now you are showing us that magic wand. I was wondering when you were going to come clean.
How much would shipping be on that wand. Like Roy I need it for work. We have been working on a project at school since the 1st of June that everyone but me said was going to be completed before August 10th (1st day of school). I've been forecasting October since the beginning. Now they are saying Oct 1st. In the meantime I have been dealing, 7 days a week, with jack leg contractors (I did not hire and can't control) who don't know a level from a claw hammer. There is no way I can come though this without looking like the dog in the manger.
Since I am having to be all things to all people I have rooms reserved at a number of different asylums so that I have a place to send each of me when we go off the deep end with multiple personality disorder.    |
Phil
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty."
Benjamin Franklin |
Edited by - skunkhome on 09/13/2007 00:14:35 |
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biggie_rat
USA
1235 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2007 : 08:08:25
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Originally posted by Roy
Ron,
"the clean hands and fingernails."
Now, you wouldn't be cheating and wearing gloves would you?
I left my magic wand at work when I retired. Was tired of performing miracles for those turkeys.
No gloves! I had to wear gloves most of the time when I was at work. Not necessarily for keeping clean, but for razor sharp shavings and burrs. I learned to hate gloves. About the only time I wear gloves is in the winter, when I have to. I tried the new rubber (latex?) gloves that a lot of mechanics wear now days (I can't blame them), but they make my hands sweat and that drives me nuts.
So, unlike you Roy who has his wife do everything, I have to work on tractors myself. My hands get dirty too. I use GOOP. It's about the only hand cleaner that works for me. FAST ORANGE and GO JO, eat my hands up and/or make my skin crack in the cold weather.
Nope, when I went to take the pic of my magic wand, I had already cleaned up. This was just a dirty/oily job. Working on an engine that has never had the oil changed is about the dirtiest work there is. The greasy, dirty oil seems to soak into my hands and takes a week before my hands look clean again.
All this time you had me believing you were doing it all by yourself now you are showing us that magic wand. I was wondering when you were going to come clean.
Believe it or not, since it has been found out I have magic wands, I am sold out. Two of my biggest critics from another site bought all I had (except my personal wand). But they only work if you're a nice guy, so they won't get any good out of them.
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Roy
USA
1366 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2007 : 22:54:45
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Ron,
"It's about the only hand cleaner that works for me. FAST ORANGE and GO JO, eat my hands up and/or make my skin crack in the cold weather."
I take a cod liver oil capsule daily. It seems to greatly reduce/eliminate my skin cracking problem which is year round but worse in the winter.
Agree with you, I prefer to work without gloves. Have found that since I installed a water softener my hands come much cleaner with Lava hand soap than they did when I had hard water. |
Roy
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biggie_rat
USA
1235 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2007 : 07:44:48
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Originally posted by Roy
I take a cod liver oil capsule daily. It seems to greatly reduce/eliminate my skin cracking problem which is year round but worse in the winter.
Agree with you, I prefer to work without gloves. Have found that since I installed a water softener my hands come much cleaner with Lava hand soap than they did when I had hard water.
I tried Viagra, thinking that might keep my skin from cracking. It just made my joints stiff.  |
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olcowhand
USA
5115 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2007 : 09:53:53
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Originally posted by skunkhome
oh BTW whats an engine hoist? LOL
In our younger years an engine hoist consists of a pair of arms & a strong back, connected to legs. As years go by it begins to change to a combination of the aformentioned and a "buddy" to help, then finally as one gets smarter, a hoist is either a pulley system or a cherry picker.
BTW.... by this time the original engine hoist suffers from pinched nerves, ruptured discs & a host of other "self induced" problems.....but is wiser! |
Daniel in Ky -- So much to do, so little time!
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biggie_rat
USA
1235 Posts |
Posted - 10/29/2007 : 19:47:44
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It looks like I will be doing this again, if a trade comes through. I really don't mind it too much.
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Homesteader
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Posted - 10/29/2007 : 21:22:37
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It looks like I will be doing this again
I'd just like to finish the one I started on months ago.
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biggie_rat
USA
1235 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2007 : 19:08:12
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A fellow called today and told me that he had traded in a 7116 Simp (with a bad BGB), to me for a 7117 a while back. I did recall his name and no doubt that was what the deal was. He was wondering if I still had the engine and a friend of his was wanting the engine for a project. Well, I don't know if this is the same one (I bet it is), but if so it's long gone. I told him, engines and decks are what I don't have. They are the first to go, usually.
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B112
USA
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Posted - 12/03/2007 : 21:50:51
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I think I'm hearing your concern. I'm to the point where all I want to sell is something I am ready to sell (or just not sell); I hear you the frustration of people taking your time for things which you don't expect (phone calls of things your not advertising). My only suggestion is a firm yes you have it or no you don't have it. I wish I took my own suggestions! Too many times I take the time to chat with folks and later get in trouble! (Late for dinner, interrupted a movie, etc. the women don't like that.) Looking from the other side, I believe lots of questions help you get things right and I'm thankful to all who can help out. I guess it's a grin in bear it part of this hobby.
A little laugh wouldn't help either. So many good people just get misunderstood, I try to just take it all with stride.
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Bevel Gear Box - removal and re-ass'y.
